who honestly notices .22 seconds anyway?

I do. It's very annoying. Here are annother few reasons Firefox sucks:

I really could care less for tabbed browsing. In fact I have NO NEED for tabbed browsing. And I believe Firefox takes up more memory on my system because it sure does act slow.

As far as security threats - in the last 2 years I have used IE and have not been hacked at all. I have only had about 3 viruses but I do not think those were IE related.

On my system IE starts faster and works a bit better and organizes the favorites the way I like and am used to. I have Firefox installed but it will not import favorites exactly as they are in IE.
If I am going to use a different browser I need it to display my favorites EXACTLY as they are in IE. (WITHOUT having to go through and doing it one by one.)

Firefox instead alphabetically lists them. I don't like that. I have them set up in IE the way I like. Besides the Bookmarks folder in Firefox is a nightmare to manage and setup. You can't even delete the default bookmark folder!

You guys keep forgetting one thing: Viri and hackers will find a way to infect Firefox sooner or later. Spyware will find it's way to Firefox as well. No such thing as a perfect browser!

OMG Kona your on evry forum talking about this lol

Thanks. I'm trying to prove a valid point. It seems no one listens to logic these days.

That site you posted kona, just proved for me firefox was better, I never use IE, and my comp was clean, but when the result page for that site loaded, it tried to install double click, which my S&D found, no problem on firefox, IE was faster, 90000 so bytes compared to 75000 bytes, but on most sites, firefox is acually faster for me, and usability and safety is more important IMO.

Yeah, same here. Kona's site reminded me why I use Firefox. Sure it showed IE as a bit faster, but then when I tried to close down IE, it stopped responding and crashed, then my CD drive started spinning like crazy. Didn't do any of that with Firefox. Firefox is a solid browser, as opposed to flakey IE. Besides, my main point with Firefox is that with its extensions, it's the most customizable browser. It can basically be whatever you want it to be. And since I happen to like customizing my computer to my needs (doh!), I also happen to like Firefox.

I really could care less for tabbed browsing. In fact I have NO NEED for tabbed browsing. And I believe Firefox takes up more memory on my system because it sure does act slow.

Many people like tabbed browsing. I can use one window with Firefox or 10 open windows with IE.

I've been using Firefox for a little over a year now and--with the exception of windows update and my work's remote desktop connection--I will never use IE again. On most sites it loads pages faster, and on other sites the speed difference is negligible. IE does start faster, because so much of the browser is pre-loaded into Windows. I see this as more of a negative than a positive, because it allocates system memory for Microsoft's browser (which I don't necessarily want to use). I'll stop short of going into a rant about how MS should stop spending so much time on integrating applications into Windows, and should spend more time building a stable OS.

I can understand Kona's gripe about bookmark organization, but it doesn't really phase me in my use of the browser--I used Netscape for many years, and I'm used to the bookmark layout (though most aren't). However, when I introduced one of my ubergeek friends to Firefox last spring, one of his first comments was that the bookmark interface is more intuitive, but this comes down to a matter of taste.

As for security, one has to remember that the weak link in any system is always human judgement. Kona has had good mileage with IE, security-wise, because he probably manages his system intelligently (uses safe practices, security software, etc.). That being said, Firefox is far safer on its face than Internet Explorer, because it doesn't handle activex scripts and it doesn't plug so directly into the OS. This will probably be true up until the day that IE no longer has a +90% share of the browser market.

Tabbed browsing rocks: as Island Dog pointed out, I would rather have ten tabs open in one application than ten items in my taskbar.

If anybody cares, I'm using the gmail notifier and tabbrowser preferences extensions. I've also been digging around for some good firefox tweaks, including the popular speedtweaks and command-line options to decrease browser load time (though nothing has come close to Mozilla's "turbo mode" which, unlike IE's OS extensions, is a user option ).

Many people like tabbed browsing. I can use one window with Firefox or 10 open windows with IE.

I would rather have 10 open windows. Tabbed browsing drives me up the wall.

As for security, one has to remember that the weak link in any system is always human judgement. Kona has had good mileage with IE, security-wise, because he probably manages his system intelligently (uses safe practices, security software, etc.). That being said, Firefox is far safer on its face than Internet Explorer, because it doesn't handle activex scripts and it doesn't plug so directly into the OS. This will probably be true up until the day that IE no longer has a +90% share of the browser market.

I believe SP2 took care of most the security problems with IE.

hey egraham what command line options are there for firefox? I forgot, And also what turbo mode are you talkin about? You talkin about piplelinin or something different. I also have to say one of my favorite extensions is the mouse shortcuts, like right click + slid left to go back and such
Gotta love the tabs, too.

Tabs are like theeee best way to surf especially multi-tasking several pages. You can load a site or go to the next page without killing the one your on. It's loading when you want to get to it, and bouncing between 8 or 9 tabs as opposed to 8 or 9 windows is a no brainer

And honestly I.E. isn't JUST the most targeted browser, it's the most susceptible.

Likewise Firefox only imports your I.E. stuff by alphabetical order, you can maintain it anyway you'd like. And of course you can't delete the bookmarks folder...you'd have no place to put your bookmarks in if you did.

Just my two cents, I love firefox because of the customizablity and security. Personally, i have had no spyware or pop-ups through firefox but still get spyware and pop ups often with IE. I use a program called Flexbeta Firetweaker to tweak firefox and it seems to do a good job, but i really can't give any numbers. I love the tabbed browsing as well. It seems like all kona0197 has to argue for IE is his opinion. The majority of his posts include "I like" or "I would rather" or "I care"(as if we did). Also, when the hackers and spyware really start targeting Firefox, everyone will be able to help stop it, not just the team at microsoft. Hooray for open source. As this is my opinion, i am not trying to convince anyone of anything. Anyways, there are my two cents.

If you run firefox with the argument -turbo then firefox will pre-load itself into memory. In my experience this has been a flaky implementation at best, but it does make the application launch faster. When I mentioned "turbo mode" I was referring to a feature in the original Mozilla suite (the bastard brother of Netscape). Turbo-mode basically pre-loads parts of the browser into memory on start-up in the same way that MS office, openoffice.org, and some other applications try to do. This feature is more stable than the firefox command above, but so far I haven't found anything like it for Firefox.